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About : How to Seperate Church from State

Other than what is explained concerning the origins of this piece in the piece I had mulled it around in my mind over a few years until I had wrote it down and lost it several times.That led to the basic concept being wrote and stuck to my refridgerator for a year or two more until I decided to try to turn it into a piece to place on my blog.It can be found there and at www.helium.com




How to Seperate Church from State

There has been a lot of contention concerning the thing known as 'separation of church and state'.
So much so I felt that since many folks are getting their opinions out there that I may as well put mine out there as well.

To begin,here is a brief on the two sides of the issue one commonly encounters;

The common reason adherents of this 'political stance' state gives them cause to allege there exists such a thing is that there is a 'non establishment of a state religion' clause in the US national documents and that one of the many signers of the documents wrote a letter to someone else in private correspondence to an associate.These same adherents evidently fail to see the clear reference to 'a god' at the very least in these same documents,along with the fact that non establishment does not equal abolishment and that one signer does not a majority make.

Once I had determined to write a piece on the topic and had considered this issue it became very clear that the basics of the problem aren't commonly addressed in a reasonable enough fashion to truly enable a rational person to gauge what would be the appropriate intellectual response.

Consequently,I have titled this little missive, 'How to Separate Church From State' because that is where the topic leads to.Not simply if there should be a separation or not,but how to do it if one really desired a true separation.After all if one doesn't consider what the decision entails then one can't accurately gauge the proper course to take.

So let's get going,IF you wished to separate church from state you must:
First,identify source and identifiable elements of 'church' in state. Alright,church in state would be what?Wouldn't it be the acceptance of the idea that there is a higher than 'state' authority of some sort?And that exists,it's known as 'God',a god,gods or some such equivalent word that amounts to a 'final arbiter of truth',correct?And this is commonly an element involved with a 'group' activity' where like minded folk gather together,correct?

Now,this situation tends to involve deep personal, social, cultural, emotional and often familial,racial or even national senses of identity and individual self image that make for some deep seated mindsets that could be said to be a 'core' element of a persons 'self/psyche', correct? Yeah,correct.I believe we can all agree that is the source of 'church'.

Second,that concept,or ideology if you will,exists,or doesn't,with in the minds,consciousness of each individual that constitutes the members of the 'state',correct?And it tends to be expressed through the influence this belief has on the decisions of the mind it exist within,correct?That influence,from either acceptance or rejection of 'god stuff' could be called 'church',correct?Okay,I think that would prob ally be acceptable to most people.

So,the above elements come in to interaction with 'state' when the individual has some position or other in the 'decision making process' that governs the 'state' as a whole,correct?That sounds reasonable and I think most would agree with it easily.

Now,let's take a moment to examine the involved dynamics of this situation.

You have a state made up of many individuals.Church of some sort or other,or a lack of it,exists in every member.Some,if not all,have a position within the governments,or 'states' decision making process in which 'church' affects those decisions,correct?Sounds reasonable to me.

Then,you wish to separate 'church' from 'state' ?

Okay,for now,let's just ignore the begging question here of ,'why?' and deal with what would have to occur to enable such a separation.

There would be more than one area in which changes would need to occur in order to allow the separation.First I suppose one would need to take out the 'connection' between the authority of anything except 'state'.Since,church minded individuals and groups maintain an authority above state exists that ideology would need to be negated somehow.To negate such one would not focus primarily on the ones that already have a fully formed set of church beliefs but rather focus on the 'young ones' who have yet to be fully acclimatized to the 'church' oriented ideology of the 'parents or group'.This could most effectively be accomplished through 'state funded' education that would openly ridicule,trivialize and demean the 'church ideolgy'Using the in-doctrinal aspects of an 'educational curriculum' biased against the 'church' ideaology,the validity of the 'church ideology' could be destroyed in the perceptions of the 'students'.

This sets the stage for 'state' to step in.By destroying the 'core beliefs' through 'in-doctrinal techniques' and manipulation of how 'alleged facts are presented' or 'alleging facts are non existent' and therefore researching them would be futile,while replacing the 'church ideologies authority figure' with 'state' enables the 'young minds' to be weaned away from 'church' while becoming focused on 'state' as 'final arbiter of truth' rather than the previous common figure of 'familial,social,religious, cultural' authority figure and final arbiter of truth,God,represented by 'church'.

Once this is reinforced by negative or positive reinforcements through incentives/rewards/deterrents the students become 'incapable' of seeing the importance of making state related decisions based on 'individual' cultural,social,familial and the other types of 'church' IF 'state' is the kind of state where 'individual social,cultural,familial,racial and or national' concerns ARE supposed to be represented.

Of course,once the 'student' is brought to this level of 'unknowing' it is a relatively easy thing to motivate him to participate in the 'state' decision making process by appealing to the base desires left to their own discretion.

You know,like wages,transportation,prestige,health care, housing,luxuries and other common delicacies.

Yet the short take on it shows the true intent ,
"To separate church from state you must first separate the men of the state from their social,cultural,personal and or familial concept of 'church;God,final arbiter of truth' and replace that conceptual belief with 'state' as 'final arbiter of truth'.

How do you do it?
Through educational indoctrination of successive generations of young minds,and,patient persistence.








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